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		<title>By: Jessica Enders</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Enders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sonja

If you read Mikey&#039;s comments and mine carefully, you&#039;ll see that we&#039;re not objecting to the idea that a woman can be successful at business, happy in their personal life and smart.

WE&#039;RE OBJECTING TO THE USE OF THE TERM BABE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sonja</p>
<p>If you read Mikey&#8217;s comments and mine carefully, you&#8217;ll see that we&#8217;re not objecting to the idea that a woman can be successful at business, happy in their personal life and smart.</p>
<p>WE&#8217;RE OBJECTING TO THE USE OF THE TERM BABE!</p>
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		<title>By: itmillion</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>itmillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment about taking charge related more to addressing &#039;objectify&#039; comments.  Meaning objectify is something done to you - taking charge is your choice and you are in control as such there is not objectify or demeaning.

Sure some people consider the word babe demeaning in their context of the word and perception of what it implies.  It is that dichotomy of thinking we are seeking to expose and have challenged - WHY is it demeaning?  WHY do some people instantly assume that it is??  Why can&#039;t a person be successful at business, happy in their personal life, be smart, and be a woman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment about taking charge related more to addressing &#8216;objectify&#8217; comments.  Meaning objectify is something done to you &#8211; taking charge is your choice and you are in control as such there is not objectify or demeaning.</p>
<p>Sure some people consider the word babe demeaning in their context of the word and perception of what it implies.  It is that dichotomy of thinking we are seeking to expose and have challenged &#8211; WHY is it demeaning?  WHY do some people instantly assume that it is??  Why can&#8217;t a person be successful at business, happy in their personal life, be smart, and be a woman?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how your post relates to what I wrote.  Are you staying that anyone who finds it demeaning should take charge and manipulate the situation to their advantage?  How does that relate to proving that it&#039;s not demeaning to some people in the first place (which was the original point)?

No doubt you can find people who think this is a good idea which has merits, but please acknowledge that there&#039;s also some people who find it demeaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how your post relates to what I wrote.  Are you staying that anyone who finds it demeaning should take charge and manipulate the situation to their advantage?  How does that relate to proving that it&#8217;s not demeaning to some people in the first place (which was the original point)?</p>
<p>No doubt you can find people who think this is a good idea which has merits, but please acknowledge that there&#8217;s also some people who find it demeaning.</p>
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		<title>By: itmillion</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>itmillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mikey this is not a full response just part - more to follow:-)

I paste here a comment by Dale Spender - about one of my earlier initiatives (Screen Goddess IT Calendar&quot; as I believe it covers demeaning objectify:

Dale Spender an internationally renowned feminist, author of many many books on the topic and international presenter, comments on the calendar:

&quot;Just loved the calendar! I think it is also about politics. Deconstructing the geeky image.

I also think there is an enormous amount of fun in it.

It&#039;s really these women having the upper hand. Sending up the stereotype of IT and of eye candy.

Objectifying is something done to you.

Taking charge is manipulating that image and subverting it, that&#039;s what they are doing.&quot;

thanks for comment please do keep raising the issue until resolved:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mikey this is not a full response just part &#8211; more to follow:-)</p>
<p>I paste here a comment by Dale Spender &#8211; about one of my earlier initiatives (Screen Goddess IT Calendar&#8221; as I believe it covers demeaning objectify:</p>
<p>Dale Spender an internationally renowned feminist, author of many many books on the topic and international presenter, comments on the calendar:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just loved the calendar! I think it is also about politics. Deconstructing the geeky image.</p>
<p>I also think there is an enormous amount of fun in it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really these women having the upper hand. Sending up the stereotype of IT and of eye candy.</p>
<p>Objectifying is something done to you.</p>
<p>Taking charge is manipulating that image and subverting it, that&#8217;s what they are doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>thanks for comment please do keep raising the issue until resolved:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; As for whether the use of the term &quot;babe&quot; in the name is demeaning:
&gt; the calibre of the women who have accepted the award is living proof
&gt; that it is not. 

This is not a reasonable argument.  Just because a few people aren&#039;t
offended by me calling them &quot;stupid idiots&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s not
offensive for others.  Same for the term &quot;babes&quot; and it being 
demeaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; As for whether the use of the term &#8220;babe&#8221; in the name is demeaning:<br />
&gt; the calibre of the women who have accepted the award is living proof<br />
&gt; that it is not. </p>
<p>This is not a reasonable argument.  Just because a few people aren&#8217;t<br />
offended by me calling them &#8220;stupid idiots&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s not<br />
offensive for others.  Same for the term &#8220;babes&#8221; and it being<br />
demeaning.</p>
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		<title>By: itmillion</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>itmillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello - points well made - comments below.

One of our hopes is that people do examine their own prejudices and look deeper, be inquisitive discover that facts of the businesses, the diverse offerings, diverse technologies - eg: from personality cloning, launching petitions, to jewellery, balancing the books, improving project performance and programming these IT&#039;s Million $ Babes have carved niches into their chosen markets and excelled using a variety of Oracle, Linux, Apache, Php, (.)Net, Microsoft SQL, to web 2.0 social networking technologies. 

They run multi million dollar technology businesses.   They are all producers, who are passionate about what they do and why they do it.  Our world needs producers - producers create not only wealth they create jobs, they build economies, they provide positive inputs for all.

The inaugural winners are a fabulous mixture or new web entrepreneurs, software developers and database management experts - a great cross blend typically representative of the industry. They range in age between 20&#039;s and 40&#039;s.   The very nature of what they do and their success is what strikes at the heart of the &#039;perceived babe&#039; image.

We are integrated human beings - we do  not have a brain, body , personality separated -  these women show that you CAN create and be a success (financially and happiness wise) and be a women.  I think what ought to be examined is WHY do people have so much trouble with the word babe - we are taking that word and subverting it for our smart savvy success interpretation.

re: lasting change: there are entire encyclopedias on the topic of women and IT  - eg: 2007 Encyclopedia on Gender and IT (where I have written one of the chapters)  http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gender-Information-Technology-Eileen/dp/1591408156   there are over 200 entries from around the globe looking at this issue - researchers and industry representatives.

The answer is not simple - there is a complex mix of contributing factors -  the solution is not simple or one dimensional either.  What we do know and does seem to be consistent across the globe is the overall perceived nerd image does negatively impact female perceptions.  Million $ babes helps to adjust that inaccurate nerd image.

Thanks for digging deeper trying to get to the heart of the debate and explore the issues further.

Keep chatting
regards
Sonja the innovator of this initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello &#8211; points well made &#8211; comments below.</p>
<p>One of our hopes is that people do examine their own prejudices and look deeper, be inquisitive discover that facts of the businesses, the diverse offerings, diverse technologies &#8211; eg: from personality cloning, launching petitions, to jewellery, balancing the books, improving project performance and programming these IT&#8217;s Million $ Babes have carved niches into their chosen markets and excelled using a variety of Oracle, Linux, Apache, Php, (.)Net, Microsoft SQL, to web 2.0 social networking technologies. </p>
<p>They run multi million dollar technology businesses.   They are all producers, who are passionate about what they do and why they do it.  Our world needs producers &#8211; producers create not only wealth they create jobs, they build economies, they provide positive inputs for all.</p>
<p>The inaugural winners are a fabulous mixture or new web entrepreneurs, software developers and database management experts &#8211; a great cross blend typically representative of the industry. They range in age between 20&#8217;s and 40&#8217;s.   The very nature of what they do and their success is what strikes at the heart of the &#8216;perceived babe&#8217; image.</p>
<p>We are integrated human beings &#8211; we do  not have a brain, body , personality separated &#8211;  these women show that you CAN create and be a success (financially and happiness wise) and be a women.  I think what ought to be examined is WHY do people have so much trouble with the word babe &#8211; we are taking that word and subverting it for our smart savvy success interpretation.</p>
<p>re: lasting change: there are entire encyclopedias on the topic of women and IT  &#8211; eg: 2007 Encyclopedia on Gender and IT (where I have written one of the chapters)  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gender-Information-Technology-Eileen/dp/1591408156" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gender-Information-Technology-Eileen/dp/1591408156</a>   there are over 200 entries from around the globe looking at this issue &#8211; researchers and industry representatives.</p>
<p>The answer is not simple &#8211; there is a complex mix of contributing factors &#8211;  the solution is not simple or one dimensional either.  What we do know and does seem to be consistent across the globe is the overall perceived nerd image does negatively impact female perceptions.  Million $ babes helps to adjust that inaccurate nerd image.</p>
<p>Thanks for digging deeper trying to get to the heart of the debate and explore the issues further.</p>
<p>Keep chatting<br />
regards<br />
Sonja the innovator of this initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Enders</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Enders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t see how using the term Million $ Babes and publishing a &#039;pin up&#039; of award recipients &#039;examines&#039; or &#039;resists&#039; the connotations that are already well established. To many people it just looks like you are agreeing with that angle. Most people aren&#039;t going to dig deep enough to expose the &#039;debate&#039;. 

I would have problems with the term &quot;Million $ Studs&quot; too. 
What&#039;s at issue here is the sexualisation of skills that should have nothing to do with sex. It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s women or men - neither should be treated like an object. 

Lasting change is not going to be brought about by sensationalist tactics. This is particularly the case when those tactics will appear, to those that only give it a brief examination (i.e. most people) to perpetuate rather than combat the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t see how using the term Million $ Babes and publishing a &#8216;pin up&#8217; of award recipients &#8216;examines&#8217; or &#8216;resists&#8217; the connotations that are already well established. To many people it just looks like you are agreeing with that angle. Most people aren&#8217;t going to dig deep enough to expose the &#8216;debate&#8217;. </p>
<p>I would have problems with the term &#8220;Million $ Studs&#8221; too.<br />
What&#8217;s at issue here is the sexualisation of skills that should have nothing to do with sex. It doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s women or men &#8211; neither should be treated like an object. </p>
<p>Lasting change is not going to be brought about by sensationalist tactics. This is particularly the case when those tactics will appear, to those that only give it a brief examination (i.e. most people) to perpetuate rather than combat the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: itmillion</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>itmillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jessica - thanks for expressing your thoughts.  some comments from me below.

re: the web references you provided - It is precisely those negative connotations that we wish to expose, examine and resist.

re: Studs - Why not? But practically, there is no need, because the issues faced by women are not faced by men, hence the whole debate.

re: Barrier. The phrase &quot;not a barrier&quot; was meant as &quot;not a barrier per se&quot; - obviously there are institutional barriers due to irrational or erroneous attitudes, hence the awards are specifically to encourage women by showing that women can succeed as well as men.  It is often the women and their success that is invisible - this helps expose that.

re: publicity:  I, the award innovator have a long and credible voluntary history of creating and running programs and projects for women and girls in IT groups.  www.wit.org.au and www.awise.org.au  It is that background and knowledge that contributed to the concept of this award.

Given the routine failure of less publicised attempts, does one attempt to improve the situation other than by deliberately generating controversy? And one does not confront stereotypes or break down barriers by accepting their basic premises: but by taking them by the horns.  AND THIS does take it by the horns and pokes the issue - stimulating discussion and interest.

PS out of interest the most viewed FAQ on the site is &quot;Where can I find more information on careers in IT&quot;.

Jessica keep blogging and raising q&#039;s - it&#039;s thinking that helps define who we are:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jessica &#8211; thanks for expressing your thoughts.  some comments from me below.</p>
<p>re: the web references you provided &#8211; It is precisely those negative connotations that we wish to expose, examine and resist.</p>
<p>re: Studs &#8211; Why not? But practically, there is no need, because the issues faced by women are not faced by men, hence the whole debate.</p>
<p>re: Barrier. The phrase &#8220;not a barrier&#8221; was meant as &#8220;not a barrier per se&#8221; &#8211; obviously there are institutional barriers due to irrational or erroneous attitudes, hence the awards are specifically to encourage women by showing that women can succeed as well as men.  It is often the women and their success that is invisible &#8211; this helps expose that.</p>
<p>re: publicity:  I, the award innovator have a long and credible voluntary history of creating and running programs and projects for women and girls in IT groups.  <a href="http://www.wit.org.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.wit.org.au</a> and <a href="http://www.awise.org.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.awise.org.au</a>  It is that background and knowledge that contributed to the concept of this award.</p>
<p>Given the routine failure of less publicised attempts, does one attempt to improve the situation other than by deliberately generating controversy? And one does not confront stereotypes or break down barriers by accepting their basic premises: but by taking them by the horns.  AND THIS does take it by the horns and pokes the issue &#8211; stimulating discussion and interest.</p>
<p>PS out of interest the most viewed FAQ on the site is &#8220;Where can I find more information on careers in IT&#8221;.</p>
<p>Jessica keep blogging and raising q&#8217;s &#8211; it&#8217;s thinking that helps define who we are:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Enders</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Enders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have carefully read the content on the ITmillion.com site, including the FAQs, and I am still vehemently opposed to the name &quot;Million $ Babes&quot; and the promotion of the sexual nature of these women over and above their IT and business prowess.

The term &quot;Million Dollar Babes&quot; has negative connotations as you can see here: &lt;a&gt;Million Dollar Babes&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/celebrity/package.jsp?name=celebrity/content/roberts_vs_diaz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Million Dollar Babes: Julia Roberts vs Cameron Diaz&lt;/a&gt;. 

Moreover, if this was an award for men, we wouldn&#039;t call them &quot;Million $ Studs&quot; would we?

If you honestly wanted to show that &quot;one&#039;s gender is not a barrier to any career one wishes to choose&quot;, why not make the awards for both men and women, in equal numbers? Why not pay more respect to these high achieving women in the way you portray their great work?

This smacks of a media stunt more than a genuine attempt to improving the situation for women in IT and industry more broadly. Rather than confronting stereotypes and breaking down barriers this is perpetuating the problem. Very disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have carefully read the content on the ITmillion.com site, including the FAQs, and I am still vehemently opposed to the name &#8220;Million $ Babes&#8221; and the promotion of the sexual nature of these women over and above their IT and business prowess.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;Million Dollar Babes&#8221; has negative connotations as you can see here: <a>Million Dollar Babes</a> and <a href="http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/celebrity/package.jsp?name=celebrity/content/roberts_vs_diaz" rel="nofollow">Million Dollar Babes: Julia Roberts vs Cameron Diaz</a>. </p>
<p>Moreover, if this was an award for men, we wouldn&#8217;t call them &#8220;Million $ Studs&#8221; would we?</p>
<p>If you honestly wanted to show that &#8220;one&#8217;s gender is not a barrier to any career one wishes to choose&#8221;, why not make the awards for both men and women, in equal numbers? Why not pay more respect to these high achieving women in the way you portray their great work?</p>
<p>This smacks of a media stunt more than a genuine attempt to improving the situation for women in IT and industry more broadly. Rather than confronting stereotypes and breaking down barriers this is perpetuating the problem. Very disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: itmillion</title>
		<link>http://itmillion.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/hello-world/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>itmillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks 2cents worth. I agree re: IF any person was &#039;forced&#039; into entering something that they felt uncomfortable with re: naming or perception.  IN this instance though all winners are mature individuals who were aware of the award name prior to nomination - and who accept adult responsibility for their lives and involvements.   They chose to be a part of this.

I&#039;ll ask the winners to pop into this blog to post a comment or 2 to expand on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks 2cents worth. I agree re: IF any person was &#8216;forced&#8217; into entering something that they felt uncomfortable with re: naming or perception.  IN this instance though all winners are mature individuals who were aware of the award name prior to nomination &#8211; and who accept adult responsibility for their lives and involvements.   They chose to be a part of this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask the winners to pop into this blog to post a comment or 2 to expand on this.</p>
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